If you’re a baker, making bread, you’re a baker. If you make the best bread in the world, you’re not an artist, but if you bake the bread in the gallery, you’re an artist. So the context makes the difference.
I wish you were right. My experience learns me the opposite. Even in education, especially art education, quality doesn’t matter. It’s the context, the network, the politics, the friends who determine everyday reality. I’m sorry my experience is the best argument in this matter. But I’m willing to hear yours.
I see. You mean from the point of view of ‘other people’. Yes, I can see and understand what the quote and you mean. But what I mean is, that an artist is an artist is an artist. And a work of art is a work of art is a work of art. The contexts can never matter. Even if the public has not seen a specific work af art, that does not mean that this work of art is not a work of art because nobody has seen it. It just is.
Same for some thing Not being a work of art. If it is not a work of art, it is not. Even if the environment or network are saying and claiming it is. Even if it is sold for millions of euro’s or pounds or dollars.
But who’s to judge? The context judges, yes. But the context (or environment) may be wrong.
(I think there has been written and talked a lot about this, by famous philosophers and others)
And I am sorry your experience tells you the opposite. It makes me angry (but I keep calm).
(diepe zucht).
Still, Eliane, that’s the mechanism of the art market and art education. The people in charge (mostly anonymous) are not romantic, when it comes to protect business and positions.
I did not see the irony. Now I do. I could never like this quote, not even now that I see the irony.
Sorry Luc, I should have known better. (No I am not really sorry)
I wish you a nice evening.
No, the context does not make the difference.
I wish you were right. My experience learns me the opposite. Even in education, especially art education, quality doesn’t matter. It’s the context, the network, the politics, the friends who determine everyday reality. I’m sorry my experience is the best argument in this matter. But I’m willing to hear yours.
I see. You mean from the point of view of ‘other people’. Yes, I can see and understand what the quote and you mean. But what I mean is, that an artist is an artist is an artist. And a work of art is a work of art is a work of art. The contexts can never matter. Even if the public has not seen a specific work af art, that does not mean that this work of art is not a work of art because nobody has seen it. It just is.
Same for some thing Not being a work of art. If it is not a work of art, it is not. Even if the environment or network are saying and claiming it is. Even if it is sold for millions of euro’s or pounds or dollars.
But who’s to judge? The context judges, yes. But the context (or environment) may be wrong.
(I think there has been written and talked a lot about this, by famous philosophers and others)
And I am sorry your experience tells you the opposite. It makes me angry (but I keep calm).
(diepe zucht).
Still, Eliane, that’s the mechanism of the art market and art education. The people in charge (mostly anonymous) are not romantic, when it comes to protect business and positions.
and profits and (their own) careers. As in most industries.
…which brings us back to the starting point.
Yes. But that is not how it should be. Nowhere.
I did not see the irony. Now I do. I could never like this quote, not even now that I see the irony.
Sorry Luc, I should have known better. (No I am not really sorry)
I wish you a nice evening.